Posts by RayoFlight2014

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The impact and consequences of being born into the jehovahs witness cult.

by RayoFlight2014 in

hi from new south wales australia.

fyi , it's tuesday 10th september 2:36am here.. i am categorically not going to blame the cult for every poor choice.

i am conscious of the fact that i was at a genetically determined disadvantage academically; i was never going to be outstanding in my achievements, no matter how hard i tried.

RayoFlight2014

Fink,

None of us can know what the psychologically of that PO's son was or is.

Unless we have the opportunity to scientifically analyze him, we just don't know whether he was a sociopath or what his mental state was, why he did what he did.

One could surmise that watchtower had a part in tempering his behaviour and stopping him from being a serial killer, but that is also drawing a long bow.

What I take from your example is this guy had some really disturbing mental issues that would have been present regardless of his jw cult exposure and that speculating watchtower somehow influenced him to act that way is just that...speculation.

Do you think my criticism of your testimony is too harsh?

I don't intend to come across that way but I think we all need to look a bit harder and get an understanding of what we can know and leave speculation aside.

I think that way we can heal a little sooner because we get an understanding of what is inherent in ourselves regardless of outside influence.

Hope that helps.

With care and regards,

RayoFlight2014.

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The impact and consequences of being born into the jehovahs witness cult.

by RayoFlight2014 in

hi from new south wales australia.

fyi , it's tuesday 10th september 2:36am here.. i am categorically not going to blame the cult for every poor choice.

i am conscious of the fact that i was at a genetically determined disadvantage academically; i was never going to be outstanding in my achievements, no matter how hard i tried.

RayoFlight2014

Hi Blacksheep and thanks.

It truly is one of the many decisions I am proud of my young self for making.

Sad that I didn't value my education but that has over-all had little impact to the end result other than some shoulda coulda woulda hypothetical scenario.

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The impact and consequences of being born into the jehovahs witness cult.

by RayoFlight2014 in

hi from new south wales australia.

fyi , it's tuesday 10th september 2:36am here.. i am categorically not going to blame the cult for every poor choice.

i am conscious of the fact that i was at a genetically determined disadvantage academically; i was never going to be outstanding in my achievements, no matter how hard i tried.

RayoFlight2014

Hi there Still Totally ADD,

My parents also needed that structure to hold on to.

There were so many screaming matches, I think without the jw religion it could well have escalated to next level, so it did provide a tempering effect.

So, yes there are definitely some positives some of us can credit to it if we are honest.

Thanks for your big welcome and all the best to you too.

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The impact and consequences of being born into the jehovahs witness cult.

by RayoFlight2014 in

hi from new south wales australia.

fyi , it's tuesday 10th september 2:36am here.. i am categorically not going to blame the cult for every poor choice.

i am conscious of the fact that i was at a genetically determined disadvantage academically; i was never going to be outstanding in my achievements, no matter how hard i tried.

RayoFlight2014

Hey Simon,

Thanks so much for that walk-through, I have a much better understanding of your intended incites and what you were trying to convey.

It's my guess that some people's emotions are still so raw because they have not properly faced their problems with professional help that they tend to be very reactive, lashing out at the people who are trying to help them.

It's certainly not fair on you as the site owner to be personally attacked when you do provide a place for them to get sage advice and comfort.

Again I really appreciate you explaining your position because I was initially thinking your response was a bit harsh and abrasive.

I hope I come across to you and everyone here as intended.

With genuine caring and concern.

All the best,

RayoFlight2014.

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The impact and consequences of being born into the jehovahs witness cult.

by RayoFlight2014 in

hi from new south wales australia.

fyi , it's tuesday 10th september 2:36am here.. i am categorically not going to blame the cult for every poor choice.

i am conscious of the fact that i was at a genetically determined disadvantage academically; i was never going to be outstanding in my achievements, no matter how hard i tried.

RayoFlight2014

Hi zeb, thanks for the welcome mate.

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The impact and consequences of being born into the jehovahs witness cult.

by RayoFlight2014 in

hi from new south wales australia.

fyi , it's tuesday 10th september 2:36am here.. i am categorically not going to blame the cult for every poor choice.

i am conscious of the fact that i was at a genetically determined disadvantage academically; i was never going to be outstanding in my achievements, no matter how hard i tried.

RayoFlight2014

Fink, i get you.

"Forewarned is forearmed"

And " your mileage may vary"

All depends on your personal disposition, circumstance, environment and so many other factors that influence your choice of direction taken and also how proactive you are to make positive change in a hostile situation.

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The impact and consequences of being born into the jehovahs witness cult.

by RayoFlight2014 in

hi from new south wales australia.

fyi , it's tuesday 10th september 2:36am here.. i am categorically not going to blame the cult for every poor choice.

i am conscious of the fact that i was at a genetically determined disadvantage academically; i was never going to be outstanding in my achievements, no matter how hard i tried.

RayoFlight2014

Truthlover123, hi,

Isn't it peculiar how we can have such mirrored experiances?

I guess it makes sense when we were part of an organization that insists on unity of thought and teaching globally to have that similarity particularly during the same time period so we were impacted by the same world events as well.

Sorry to hear your son has not recovered so well, but time and dilligent research with supportive community can do wonders. Also you have to allow yourself to go through the grieving process to be able to move forward. And most importantly to seek professional psychological help or intervention before letting the trauma be all encompassing and consuming.

Being so genetically different even within a family group we tend to have vastly different responses and reactions to trauma and even confrontation.

We should have empathy for those that don't cope so well, firm but fair and mild in our approach.

I have a lot of love for my family and I let them know regularly, I would love to have deep and meaningful conversations with them but that just doesn't happen unfortunately.

I know full well where their minds are at and I understand they are just as genuinely concerned for my spiritual welfare as I would have been when I was fully in. And that concern comes from a place that has love at its core.

Thank you for your kind and well thought out words.

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The impact and consequences of being born into the jehovahs witness cult.

by RayoFlight2014 in

hi from new south wales australia.

fyi , it's tuesday 10th september 2:36am here.. i am categorically not going to blame the cult for every poor choice.

i am conscious of the fact that i was at a genetically determined disadvantage academically; i was never going to be outstanding in my achievements, no matter how hard i tried.

RayoFlight2014

Hi DOC,

Yes to be assertive in that environment can clash with the leadership, most of the elder body were good men in my experience at that congregation but there was an element of power tripping with a select few and they were not kindly.

And saying no to my father was a difficult thing to do. I was respectful though, not just because I was living under his roof but that is my disposition.

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The impact and consequences of being born into the jehovahs witness cult.

by RayoFlight2014 in

hi from new south wales australia.

fyi , it's tuesday 10th september 2:36am here.. i am categorically not going to blame the cult for every poor choice.

i am conscious of the fact that i was at a genetically determined disadvantage academically; i was never going to be outstanding in my achievements, no matter how hard i tried.

RayoFlight2014

Thanks to all so far for your responses.

I'm at work at the moment, but I will return with some measured replies after work.

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The impact and consequences of being born into the jehovahs witness cult.

by RayoFlight2014 in

hi from new south wales australia.

fyi , it's tuesday 10th september 2:36am here.. i am categorically not going to blame the cult for every poor choice.

i am conscious of the fact that i was at a genetically determined disadvantage academically; i was never going to be outstanding in my achievements, no matter how hard i tried.

RayoFlight2014

98 percent with you Simon, and Thank you for your input.

As I expressed in my original post I categorically will Not blame watchtower for every negative aspect. As can be seen I came from disadvantage and the encouragement by watchtower to read fed into my appetite for wonder that was already there thus increasing my vocabulary and leading to my eventual exit.

By contrast the rest of my siblings were not so inclined and perhaps don't have the capacity or patience to read beyond the approved material.

I certainly don't want us to wallow in self pity, but to see what has impacted us, what we can change, and to be proud of how far we have come despite forces to the contrary.

However I don't think that everyone focuses on the negative, perhaps the greater majority do because that is what impacts us to a greater extent.

To be fair we talk more about tornadoes and hurricanes that impacted us negatively than the sunny days that follow.

Thanks again Simon for providing an alternative thought to challenge our perspectives. Cheers.